Saturday, April 23, 2011

"Father forgive" WHO exactly???





Jesus NEVER forgave the self-condeming Pharisees for in Matthew 12 they "blasphemed the Holy Spirit." The Jews that supported them, the Pharisees, were in hot water too (see below).

Many Jews were later saved and became Christians, but the majority wanted their Messiah's blood-guilt on their heads and on their children's and they didn't think twice about it.  Mel Gibson was prevented from putting all this in Passion of the Christ by powerful Jews.

The Book of Luke is clear: "Father forgive them" is directed, in that context, to the dumb, naive Roman soldiers.  That scripture is twisted and abused by all these feel-good unaccountable christians who use forgiveness like their back pocket hankey.  

"33   καὶ  ὅτε  ἦλθον  ἐπὶ  τὸν  τόπον  τὸν  καλούμενον  Κρανίον,  ἐκεῖ  ἐσταύρωσαν  αὐτὸν  καὶ  τοὺς  κακούργους,  ὃν  μὲν  ἐκ  δεξιῶν  ὃν  δὲ  ἐξ  ἀριστερῶν. 

34   ὁ  δὲ  Ἰησοῦς  ἔλεγεν·  πάτερ,  ἄφες  αὐτοῖς,  οὐ  γὰρ  οἴδασιν  τί  ποιοῦσιν.  διαμεριζόμενοι  δὲ  τὰ  ἱμάτια  αὐτοῦ  ἔβαλον  κλήρον."

"And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots."

The Greek clearly shows that the Roman soldiers are being spoken of here by Jesus [as indicated in red (in the Grk. and Eng.) which indicates that the Greek verb for "crucified," the noun "them", the verb "to not know," the verb "they parted" and the verb "cast" all in Greek speak of the SAME group because each word here is in the 3rd person plural] who saw His Father's anger at that time turn on the Roman soldiers--naturally for a father to react that way about his ONLY begotten son. Jesus would NOT say the same about the Jews because they DIDN'T merit forgiveness in any way and they sure KNEW what they were doing.  The Roman soldiers were just doin' their job.  The Pharisees knew what they were doing because they KNEW THE SCRIPTURES of the Messiah and his coming, death and resurrection!  St. Paul said they chose their Law instead of Christ's grace (Romans).  As for the Judeans (Jewish people), Jesus wept over Jerusalem AS A WHOLE. Ponder that.  Matthew reports:

Matthew 23:37-39 Greek Study Bible (Apostolic / Interlinear) ερουσαλμ ερουσαλήμ, ποκτείνουσα τος προφήτας κα λιθοβολοσα τος πεσταλμένους πρς ατν, ποσάκις θέλησα πισυναγαγεν τ τέκνα σου, ν τρόπον ρνις πισυνάγει τ νοσσία ατς π τς πτέρυγας, κα οκ θελήσατε.  δο φίεται μν οκος μν.  λγω γρ μν, ο μή με δητε π’ ρτι ως ν επητε· ελογημένος ρχόμενος ν νόματι κυρίου.

KJV with Strong's
O Jerusalem Jerusalem thou that killest the prophets and stonest them which are sent unto thee how often would I have gathered thy __ children together even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings and ye would not. Behold your house is left unto you desolate.  For I say unto you Ye shall not see me henceforth __ till __ ye shall say Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.


Also, in the midst of all that the ROMANS were doing to him, the Greek text says « δ  ησος  λεγεν·  πάτερ,  φες  ατος», "But Jesus was saying (as this was happening to Him)..."  The verb for "saying" is in the 2nd person singular IMPERFECT which means CONTINUAL, NON-STOP past action.  So as Jesus is being crucified by the Roman soldiers[between 2 criminals as it says in the Greek (not just thieves!)] he'ssaying of THEM (or even MORE specifically in Greek "was continally saying") "Father forgive them..."  The context (and the Greek language!) refer to the ROMANS, NOT the Jews

(In Greek there are no periods, commas, section headings, chapter titles,etc. because it was all run-along.  Many liberal translations use all of this to deliberately push a sectarian, heretical bias.)

Oh...one other EXTREMELY important point in that same part is the CONJUNCTION "Then."  In Grk it's "δε".  A conjunction is:

So the "Then (δε)" is connecting the previous clause "..there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left" with the "...Jesus said (really in Greek it says 'BUT Jesus was saying')"

It was all about Roman soldiers and NOT to the Jews or Pharisees. Christians who are willfully ignorant for years and years have said that this is blanket phrase that applies to all cases of forgiveness. The have also unwittingly interpreted this to make it seem like Jesus was simply tossing out forgiveness like confetti to the Jews and Pharisees.  DANGEROUS AND WRONG.

The Pharisees "blasphemed the Holy Spirit"--no turning back according to Jesus.  The Jewish people...well, see my post:  http://300sploggers.blogspot.com/2011/03/pope-lifts-blame-from-jews-for-christs.html#links

Also, this book is fantastic (below):

Pharasaism became Talmudism … But the spirit of the ancient Pharisee survives unaltered.  When the Jew … studies the Talmud, he is actually repeating the arguments used in the  Palestinian academies. From Palestine to Babylonia; from Babylonia to North Africa, Italy. Spain, France and Germany; from these to Poland. Russia and Eastern Europe generally, ancient Pharasaism has wandered. (See Exhibit 1, Exhibit 2, and Exhibit 3 herein.) - pg 14


Conclusion:

If the Pharisees of back then blasphemed the HS (no forgiveness), then what in the world is going to happen to all the Jews today who carry on this SAME pharisitical spirit resisting Christ still?!  The same ones who, after Christ, went on to put an addendum in their Talmud calling Jesus blasphemous names and his holy mother a "WHORE." 

So what we have are a bunch of mainly Protestant Christians BLINDLY supporting a bunch of Jews and their Rothschild (NOT BIBLICAL!) Zionism who are in agreement with the VERY SAME people (particularly the Pharisees) that Jesus said BLASPHEMED the Holy Spirit which means NO FORGIVENESS...DOOMED... CONDEMNED--PERIOD.

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I have not even covered all the condemnations God spoke to His people (or FORMER I should say because the Church replaced them) in the Old Testament for turning away from Him and His laws and decrees. 

If you are Christian who supports Zionism, whether wittingly or unwittingly, please, this Pascha, STOP supporting the Synagogue of Satan,  the people whose father Jesus says is "the Devil" and do some more research!!!


HAPPY PASCHA TO ALL!...HE IS RISEN!...Χριστός Ανέστη!

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